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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ian Burrett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk">Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We are connecting to multiple parties waiting for their execution reports to come in to our “listener”</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font>Are these parties outside of your organization? It sounds like those are feed servers, i.e. acceptors.</font><font>
</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>Are these parties from different organizations? QF does not provide one-app-serves-all capabilities. FIX is a really flexible protocol; every organization makes customizations and will require a customized DataDictionary. ICE's supported fields are quite different from, say, CME's</font></div>
<div><font><br></font></div><div><font>I would suggest, to begin with, writing an app to talk to just one party.</font><font><br></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">From there we need to display the “deals” grouped together and do some actions on them.</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We can run the tradeclient app right now, with our test SenderCompID & TargetCompID settings – all day long.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font>Tradeclient is the same app you were talking about in the previous paragraphs?</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But we can’t get anything appearing in the Acceptor? Are we being totally stupid here? All a bit much to get my head round?</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font>Your Acceptor is just sitting there waiting for someone else to connect to it. I bet this should be an Initiator.</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>I think that my earlier comparison of Initiator/Acceptor to Client/Server was not clear enough. A Client (Initiator) reaches out to connect to Servers (Acceptors). A Server (Acceptor) just sits there doing nothing, waiting for some Clients (Initiators) to connect to it. Does that make more sense now?<br>
</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>It sounds like you're building a client, thus it should be an Initiator.<br></font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>-Grant<br></font></div><div><br></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 19 January 2012 16:08</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Ian Burrett<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: {{Quickfixn}} Beginners question</div></div><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So, really it's just a basic Client/Server concept by a different name.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>An Acceptor stands running waiting for connections. An Initiator tries to connect to an Acceptor.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Ian Burrett <<a href="mailto:Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk" target="_blank">Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We are writing an app that will listen for deals to come through and action them?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Would that be a “client” - initiator?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Grant Birchmeier [mailto:<a href="mailto:gbirchmeier@connamara.com" target="_blank">gbirchmeier@connamara.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 19 January 2012 15:54</span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Ian Burrett<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Initiator and Acceptor are QF lingo for Client and Server.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you're writing a client that will connect to a broker or market feed, you want to implement an Initiator. If you want to *be* that broker or market feed, you want to write an
Acceptor.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Ian Burrett <<a href="mailto:Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk" target="_blank">Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks Grant for your prompt response.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s getting back to basics over here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My colleague and I are getting ourselves very confused as to whether we should be running an initiator
or an acceptor. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Can you please give me a muppets guide to the differences and which is appropriate when?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ian</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Grant Birchmeier [mailto:<a href="mailto:gbirchmeier@connamara.com" target="_blank">gbirchmeier@connamara.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 19 January 2012 15:38<br>
<b>To:</b> Ian Burrett</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See the readme on the github home page, section "Acceptance Tests".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Ian Burrett <<a href="mailto:Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk" target="_blank">Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m a newbie to .NET = a web developer / designer mainly.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Grant Birchmeier [mailto:<a href="mailto:gbirchmeier@connamara.com" target="_blank">gbirchmeier@connamara.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 19 January 2012 15:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Mailing list for QuickFIX/n<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ian Burrett<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: {{Quickfixn}} Beginners question</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, to see the gap-fill feature in action, you'd have to have a counterparty that will skip sequence numbers. Of course, such a counterparty would not be written in QF/n, as
QF/n doesn't do FIX-illegal things like that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We do have an acceptance test program that can do things like this. In fact, you may want to have a look at our acceptance test suite; I'm sure there's a test that performs the
behavior you're investigating.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Look in directory AcceptanceTest\definitions\server\fix44. I think the tests 10_* may reflect what you're looking to see.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How to read the tests:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have a test QF/n app that connects to the testrunner app. Test lines beginning with "E" mean the tests "Expect" to receive this message. Lines beginning with "I" mean the test
will send ("Initiate") this message to the test app.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let me know if I can help further.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Grant</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Ian Burrett <<a href="mailto:Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk" target="_blank">Ian.Burrett@irwsystems.co.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m trying to find out more about handling gaps in the message sequence and initiating a resend request to back fill.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve got the tradeclient example running and getting test messages from our trader.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How do I go about testing if it is handling gaps in the sequences?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any pointers welcomed!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ian</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#3333ff;background:#ffcc00">Connamara Systems, LLC</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Made-To-Measure Trading Solutions.</b></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Exactly what you need. No more. No less.</p>
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